On Ferrari Friday’s, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace will be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live and breath the Ferrari brand.
On this episode William does a crossover podcast with car specialist Greg Stanley, host of RM/Sothebys “The Collector Car Podcast” and the tables have been turned and William Ross interviews Greg Stanley on this episode of The Collector Car Podcast.
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Episode 26
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Mostly because I’m actually interviewing someone while someone’s interviewing me. We’ve never done this before. So it was for two different podcasts. So I’d like to welcome William Ross. William, how are you doing today? Doing fantastic, Greg. How are you doing today? I’m doing well. So you’re turning the tables on me a little bit by asking me some questions here in a minute, and I’m going to ask you some questions.
So why don’t I kick it off? Why? Like, What is the podcast that you’re interviewing me, interviewing me for. And then also, I know we want to talk about like the Ferrari marketplace and different things that you’re involved with. Yeah, that’s right. So welcome listeners on my side to the Ferrari marketplace.
We’re going to interview Greg here from RM Sotheby’s. And, um, if those of you. Watch and listen, you know, cause we did a, uh, episode on the Ferrari two 50 GTO that Greg was very integral in helping procure set up, do the whole program, everything was [00:02:00] set up for the auction. So we’re going to talk about that with Greg and some other things, because he does a lot of cool, fun stuff.
He goes and sees a lot of cool collections. So he’s put eyes on a lot of cool stuff. So, and again, I’m going to ask him questions. He’s going to ask me questions. So, It’s going to be different, but it’s going to be fun. So you guys, you’re getting a twofer on this. So that’s right. Yeah. And we actually, we actually met up, uh, it was eyes on design weekend up in Detroit, and I happened to go to the M one Concord, um, and I actually met you there cause you were doing quite a bit of live streaming and activity.
So what kind of stuff do you typically put out there for your listeners and your viewers? You know, in my part of the world and in your part of the world, cause you’re just down south in Cincinnati. So I’m up north in Cleveland. So me and Greg are actually that far apart, you know, so, um, we have to travel a bit to get some really cool events.
We got some, like there’s the Cincinnati has a great Concord. They do down there. They started. That was what, like four or five years ago. How old is it? It’s old 1978, 78. All right. My bad. And, um, [00:03:00] but anyway, so we kind of got to go distances to go and find some cool stuff, which isn’t bad because we’re both kind of right in the middle of heartland, so go into places.
But no, I tried to go to the events that, you know, obviously there are so many. During the summer, during this time of year. You know, that people are unable to attend. So like, I try to just give them a little insight, you know, and go to the events that, you know, Hey, people that say live in California, but they can’t go like next weekend’s the vintage Pittsburgh vintage grand Prix, um, go doing the event with the ACO and that up them one concourse, you know, um, you know, stuff like that, you know, then going, you know, seeing some collections and whatnot, if they allow me to video or take anything, uh, as you know, some people are very private.
Um, you know, I just try, you know, I have fun with it and what I go do daily. Cause I, you know, as you probably get asked, I’m sure quite a bit that either people that want to get into this business are in this business or just intrigued by it. Is, you know, how do you go see all these things? How, uh, you know, you get, you get asked, [00:04:00] you got such a cool, fun job and this and that, and so it’s like, they want to know what you’re doing.
They kind of get intrigued about how, what’s this person do during the day or what, when they go to these events, what do they do? So it’s kind of like just a little insight into it. Um, and it’s fun because the one thing is it opens up that door for opportunity to really kind of, I guess they interview someone and get to know them a little bit more.
Instead of just casual conversation. You set the stage, having that camera in regards to, okay, Hey, let’s, do you mind if we talk a little bit on camera and I’m going to answer some questions. You know, so you can kind of, you can sidestep because if you’re just, as you know, if you’re having like just a personal conversation with someone, there’s certain questions you’re probably, but that, how’s that going to come up with a conversation while we’re interviewing them for content and just, you know, background history or whatnot, there’s questions you can ask that don’t seem odd.
Like Why the F did he ask me that? It’s one of those scenarios. Cause it’s, um, you know, cause [00:05:00] obviously, you know, networking is huge in this industry. Um, and meeting people. Cause I mean, there’s awesome people in this industry. I mean, 95 percent of the people are awesome. You’re going to, in anything, you’re going to have those.
5% ers that are just, you know, you steer clear of them, but it’s, it’s one, it’s just, it opens doors. It’s grabbed too, but it’s just a lot of fun. You know, it’s, you know, this day and age with YouTube and doing the podcast and everything like that. It really kind of takes things to a different level in regards to, I guess you say involvement.
Because you look at it from a different angle than going to it. Like in years past, you know, I’d go to things and whatnot to talk to people, get car, you know, contact info stuff, you know, um, Hey, what do you have? Like, Hey, you know, if you ever want to do this, you know, that kind of stuff. But then, you know, you look at the cars and whatnot, but.
Well, now it is, you’ll come up to a car and you’ll start explaining it because you got a lot of people that might not know what it is, or they’re very [00:06:00] minimal in regards to their knowledge of certain cars. Um, so it kind of really gets you more involved in it. And I guess you could say for me, I want not to say reignited the passion for it, cause that’s always been there, but just changed up how I approach going to things.
It’s like now, now it’s like. No, I have my mind. So I’ll look at, you know, say entry list or whatnot. What’s there’s like, okay, I want to go look at this car, this car, this car. And hopefully the owners stand there. Cause then again, you can interview them, everything like that. Um, it’s just, it’s a whole different way of approaching things and going at it.
And it’s a lot of fun. You know, it’s, you know, I got, you know, my big thing is we talked about up at M one, um, is I got, you know, I’m LinkedIn seems is my, I love LinkedIn. You know, I mean, I got the YouTube channel, we do the podcast, you know, Instagram, that kind of stuff, but you know, I found on LinkedIn, you know, That’s more business oriented.
I get a lot more, you know, responses, contact people reached out to me every night back from what I [00:07:00] put up on LinkedIn, you know, YouTube and Instagram, whatnot. That’s just for, you know, Hey, look at this, check this out, blah, blah, blah. I mean, you know, you’re going to get some response, but hey, that’s a great car.
Oh, he looked like he had fun. You know, like I was just at, um, this past weekend, Oh, in Salem, Ohio, they had this really cool, um, the classic car club of America, you know, had this, uh, like multi day event, you know, do some birds, all old, like pre war stuff and, uh, stuff like that. You know, they do a driving tour and like that.
No, so I put some stuff on that and they go, you get a response. Oh, those are chords. Oh, I remember this, you know, that kind of stuff. But whereas LinkedIn, you put it up there. Someone’s going to. Oh, Hey, I saw that. And this, oh, I have this thing for sale. Hey, you know, I got someone I’ll put you in contact with because they’re thinking about selling this or thinking about buying, you know, open up the doors a lot more for business opportunities.
And, you know, as you know, got to make money, got to pay the bills. So, you know, tell us before you turn the microphone over in my [00:08:00] direction here and ask me some questions, tell us, uh, about. Like the Ferrari marketplace, how people can find you and, you know, kind of like, are you doing stuff weekly? Is it daily?
Is it monthly kind of where they can find you on what you’re posting out there? I had these pages go the Ferrari marketplace. com is the, um, just go to the website, uh, as you go into, you delve into it, there’s a lot more layers to it. Uh, we have, we kind of building out, you know, we have is under the umbrella of the exotic car marketplace.
So we have not only the fire marketplace, the Porsche marketplace, but we have some other subsequent model, uh, brands. That will be coming down to line that we’ve got in there. That’ll be all under there. But, you know, I’m trying to try to get a buddy of mine. That’s a big Porsche person to take over the Porsche marketplace.
com aspect of it. So that can, cause I just, I mean, I love Porsches, but I mean, I just don’t have time wise to kind of start doing these other things, um, usually new content usually comes like every week, every two weeks at [00:09:00] most, so either be, you know, new videos, new podcasts. Um, I try and do. I just started doing this a little while ago.
Um, started doing, I guess, background stuff on, you know, my specialty, I guess you could say is I do all the Enzo era stuff that’s where I, I kind of focus on, I’ll get into F forties, F fifties, you know, those kinds of things. Enzo’s. Uh, but like the new stuff and like F4, 5. 8, I just, that’s not me. That’s everyone else.
Let them deal with it. The, the Gen Z people and stuff like that. And everything along those lines. Um, but I’m doing like some historical stuff on just kind of like, okay, here’s this model kind of, this is where, Hey, uh, creation wise, what they did with it. If it had race history, dah, dah, dah, you know, kind of give a little insight into the cars, you know, what they did.
So people understand, because as you know, you know, um, you look at these, it was such a different era in regards to how cars were built, especially by them, [00:10:00] uh, and what those cars were meant to do and be, you know, when you do low volume like that, and they’re all hand built, you know, one car to the next is not the same and they can pivot, you know, they can build four cars here, then also the fifth car is something completely different regard to competition or whatnot, like four steel bodies.
Hey, number five is going to be aluminum body. You know, car six going to be a competition on car, you know, it’s. It was, it was awesome when they were doing that. Cause obviously regulations were not existed, so to speak, in regards to what you had to have to put up on the road. Um, so it’s, it’s interesting to kind of put that out and it’s not anything in depth, like pages of pages.
I try and get a little more concise with it. Um, I’ll put links and everything in it. So people can kind of kick on, you know, click on it too. Delve into it more if they want. Um, you know, cause it’s such a, you know, it’s such an interesting, you know, everyone thinks, you know, Ferrari, a lot of people kind of have this, [00:11:00] not to say stigma, but like image thinking, Ooh, Ferrari, you know, la di da, you know, but.
If you start digging into more and what it was, I mean, it’s really impressive what he was able to do with his limited resources in essence, you know, it’s not like this guy was, you know, Fiat or something like that, and that, and bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars a year in revenue, you know? I mean, his main thing was racing.
He just built streetcars to support his racing. You know, and he was, you know, asked backwards in regards to finances and whatnot all the time, but somehow he did it and he built world conquering cars, I mean, the only way he got beat that small little place out of Maryland was, you know, Ford motor company with billions of dollars coming in and taking, taking many years to do it, you know, it wasn’t like they came out of the gate, you know, to beat him basically and do it.
Um, it’s just, I just think it’s a, you know, it’s a very storied [00:12:00] brand. Um, and if you can see behind me, basically, those are all Ferrari stuff. All books, everything. I do a lot of reading and, you know, so it’s kind of one of the things that, and as you probably know, as you’ll, you’ll be talking to someone, you see something online, someone mentions a book.
And you’re like, oh, I haven’t heard, you know, you go, you buy, there’s so many places you can buy these books. Like, and then I had my one buddy, you know, Eric from up there. He got me this, you know, because obviously people know I’m the Ferri Ferri guy, you know, he bought me this bow tie Ferraris, you know, bought the, you know, Ferris from the fifties and sixties that, you know, people stuffed the Ford and Chevy engines in, pulled out the, you know, B twelves and stuff.
Those, I mean, that was a really cool book, you know, because. Again, now that people, you know, realize that that was very common over here in the United States, very common, you know, and, you know, and what always baffled me with that though, is cause like in this day and age, you read the story, the guy’s got [00:13:00] the TR.
That, you know, someone stuffed the Ford or Chevy in, and then, you know, 30, 40 years later, all reunited with its original engine, you know, it always, it’s amazing to me that you can, you could find it for one, you know, and do it. But it just shows you the wherewithal of people. And that was before internet.
Yeah. Yeah. Think about that. You know, it’s, you have such a close knit. You know, group and community, like, Oh, it’ll call shows in this nap, but it’s just, uh, truly neat, you know? So, but anyway, sorry. No, no, it’s interesting. You talk about, you know, having the right book and such, and I’m doing some Bugatti research and, uh, I just had Philip Richter on and I think he mentioned it, but somewhere, somewhere I read, Oh, no, it was a Jay Leno video, he was reviewing one of his Bugatti’s Peter Mullen and the Mullen museum.
And you know, the book you have to get is the art of Bugatti. Uh, and so I actually found it, it’s the Mullen and they’re out of business now. You know, the museum, it’s out of [00:14:00] business now, you know, they close down. Oh yeah. And, uh, thankfully I found it on used on Amazon, but it’s like brand new, but it’s key, there are certain books that are key.
You definitely have to have in order to, you know, be able to knowledgeably speak about certain marks, right? Well, the other thing too, especially those ones, like you said, are out of print. Yeah. Um, and they were done, you know, in the sixties or seventies or even eighties, you know, cause a lot of those guys, like, you know, a lot of those books I have up there were guys that were part of factory, part of the program, part of whatever, you know, insider knowledge and they’re writing about it.
You know, those people are long gone. You know, that was it, you know, you’re not going to be able to go and sit down and talk with these people, you know, and so it’s hunting them down. And thank God, you know, for Amazon, you know, the internet and everything like that and finding these and getting it, because to your point, it’s such great knowledge to know and learn, you know, and, and, you know, and some people might think it’s, Oh, well, you just, cause you’re [00:15:00] trying to sell.
No, I mean, I, to me personally, and I’m sure with you is, It’s very interesting stuff in regards to how something became about the whole process in regards to starting, you know, starting product to finish product. It’s like, okay, idea to completion, you know, that whole process in between, you know, no, no computers, no nothing.
You know what I mean? You’re dealing with people who build stuff with hands, wooden bucks, you know, doing stuff by hand, you know, English wheel stuff. I mean, yeah, I love that stuff. I mean, you know, and, and I’m sure you saw it and that’s why one day I hope. I can go to Jay’s lentils garage because in, you can fill us in a little bit.
Cause I know he has an unbelievable workshop as well. You know, everyone sees his cars, but he’s got just like everything and anything you’re pretty much need or want. To restore a car, which is all interesting. Yeah. And, and feel free to ask me some questions here. I know you have a list of stuff as well, but, [00:16:00] uh, from the Jay Leno perspective, it was really interesting.
I didn’t get to see as much of the restoration shop as I, I walked through there briefly. Um, when I was on my drive with Jay, him driving me, riding and My 66 GTO, uh, Pontiac GTO, not Ferrari GTO. My wife and the two daughters of the original owner of the Pontiac, they had like 45 minutes to an hour just to kind of wander around and they met all the mechanics and stuff.
Cause they just kind of had to fill their time. And I was slightly envious because I wanted to meet those guys and talk to those guys. So, um, yeah, but I’ll have your link to the Ferrari marketplace in the description of this podcast, obviously. Uh, what questions do you have for me? So for the Ferrari Marketplace listener side, now, as we mentioned before, as I said, you know, doing a podcast on, on my thing a while back when it was beginning, walk me through, cause you were integral in regards to the Ferrari 250 GTO that Sotheby’s auctioned off.[00:17:00]
Uh, a while back, uh, in New York now, and that car is very interesting as well, because that was one of the things I kind of talked about in my episode was that was one of the few 330 chassis built, but it was rebodied as the series one 250 GTO. Um, so that was kind of the topic in regards to speaking with people like, okay, so is it a real two 50 GTO?
Cause it’s originally three 30 data, you know? So I’ll give you, I’ll give you the recap of it. So it was never re bodied per se. All right. So the nuts and bolts of it is, is you had 36 GTOs. This was original GTOs. Uh, two 50 GTOs. This was not one of those. There were three prototype cars built AF, uh, to compete in other classes of racing.
And so this was, this one was created with the two [00:18:00] 50 GTO body, but with a three 30 running gear so that it would run at Lamar, so it was a larger. Displacement, um, engine four liter versus three liter four speed versus five speed. So. It was designed specifically to, uh, capitalize on a class of racing at Lamar, which is why it was called the three 30 LM LM for Lamar.
I mean, it’s really, it’s so confusing because nobody, I don’t care who it is. Not one single article got the car. Correct. No, they didn’t. Obviously in the most correct Steve Algram that writes for sports car marketplace, he was like, So almost there. Um, so anyways, fascinating car. If it was one of the 36, it would have brought more, um, difficult car to market because of that.
Like nobody knows what a three 30 LM is. It looks like a two 50 GTO, um, a year into. existence. It was taken back to the factory and, and the two 50 [00:19:00] GTO, uh, drive train was put in there. Um, and so it became a two 50 GTO from the factory a year after it was built. So just a complex car, um, a great car. And you know, the question becomes, do you want to put it back to where it was originally where it would be a, basically a big block, a big engine, GTO, or do you want to have it as a last raced as a two 50?
And it’s, it’s somewhat hard to identify which is better. If you take it back to the four liter, when it was originally constructed, it actually had kind of an ugly, um, nose on it, had like a nail slot. It didn’t have the iconic. 3d scoops that we are all love about the GTO. Um, but it was the only one made from the factory that way.
And so like Ferrari would love to see it with his mail slot nose back on. Uh, but then. You know, I got the three D scoops when it was turned into a two 50 GTO later, which is just absolutely [00:20:00] stunning. So it’s kind of, which one do you do? I, I said on one of my podcasts, I would just keep it the way it is as a two 50 GTO with the three D slots, enjoy the heck out of it for 10 years when it truly needs a restoration, then I would put it back to the four liter spec as a three 30 LM and, uh, enjoy it that way.
I was trying to dig around and I like, I talked to a few people like prior to that auction, you know, and I got on the phone and maybe you’ll know, uh, cause no one was a hundred percent sure could figure out some people said, Oh, they know where it is or Oh, no, it’s gone forever is where did that original motor is, was that original motor known?
Like right now, if you want to put it back, how it was born. With that, the bigger motor in it, do they know where that motor is? So we know where the motor was as of like 10 years ago. Okay. And so I can’t remember what’s on my head. No, the chassis that it’s related to or the chassis that it was put, it was put into, uh, by a very private owner.
I don’t [00:21:00] know, eight or 10 years ago. It’s someone that. It has fallen off of the collector car Landscape, I guess is the best way to put it. Um, one of my fun things is I I like to dig and try to Figure this stuff out So I have it on my list of to dos to see if I can dig up who that person is and where they are They weren’t in the u.
s, which is one of the complicating factors. I believe they were in asia So I think uh, it was an asian collector that has a car that a ferrari that has that engine in it But like I said, I don’t know the situation there. I would love to You Make that connection and see if I could find that car and find that engine to where the current owner who I can’t say who it is, who bought the car, um, that they could reunite the original four liter with it, you know, cause it does have the original three liter that was put into the car year later, which we didn’t go into it too in depth, uh, for the auction.
Cause we didn’t want to make it confusing, but that actual three liter that’s in the car that was put in there by, uh, Ferrari actually came out [00:22:00] of a wrecked race car that, uh, Phil Hill drove. So the actual engine has quite a bit of Providence attached to it and race history. I forgot the car it was in.
It was either. I can’t remember the car that it was in, but it was, um, it was the engine, the three liter had quite a bit of Providence and that’s the engine that’s in the car now. How did you come about, I guess you’d say. Cause I know you, how long have you been with Sotheby’s? So I’ve been, I’ve always been part time as a consultant until recently.
I’m doing it full time now. Um, about four years, right? As COVID hit, unfortunately, my first official, uh, auction was Amelia Island, right before the world shut down, uh, walking around Amelia Island, like two weeks before COVID shut down. Interesting times. So how, how do you. Okay. So four years in that span, I mean, one that’s, it’s impressive because, you know, [00:23:00] how did you become involved with that 250 DTO sale?
I mean, did you know who the owner was? Was it just, Hey, Sotheby’s? Cause it, you know, luck of the draw. I mean, how did they all say, how’d you get tied in with this, you know, involved in the sale? So when you, when you become a car specialist, even as a consultant, you’re trying to network, obviously meet people.
Um, have it be known that if someone wants to sell a car through a big global auction house, like RMS Sotheby’s, Hey, I know a guy, you know, and so I would go to the, I would go to the Concord events. I go to car shows, I go to cruise ins, you know, shake hands, talk to people, do podcasts or whatever. Um, that car is local to Cincinnati.
So I was familiar with the car. Because it’s one of the few, like, I mean, Cincinnati, there’s two GTOs in Cincinnati at the time, which is unbelievable. The 39, if you count the three prototypes. Um, and so I did not know the family beyond saying hello to one of the, the son [00:24:00] at a Concord event, you know, just like you would, if you talk to anyone at a concrete, Hey, love the car, whatever, you know?
And then when I came on board with RM, I just amped up, not just, you know, across the board, amped up my interaction with the Cincinnati Concord, you know, try to interact with all the folks that I could over that following couple of years, I became friends with the family. Um, you know, and it was funny cause the, the way it kind of transpired was I was leaving a, a volunteer thank you event for the Cincinnati Concord.
And someone mentioned, Oh, they’re going to sell that. GTO. I’m like, what? I didn’t think that was what, you know, I felt like I would have known. And the owner’s name is Jim Jagger. That’s all public knowledge. Um, uh, and I, I texted the son. I said, Hey, are you, you know, are you guys selling the GTO? And it was hilarious because his response back was, um, are you open for coffee tomorrow?
Oh, okay. [00:25:00] Um, so I met him for coffee and. The answer was we are not selling the car. And this is like three years ago or so. And, um, and the key part to me was at this time, you know, and so fast forward, like a year and a half later or whatever, uh, he wants to meet to kind of say, Hey, we’re thinking about selling the car.
And. At that point, the reason I was involved was because they had a relationship with me through networking. Uh, the biggest reason why was because of the power of RM Sotheby’s is specifically the sale of the Ulan out coop for 142 million. You know, and so if you’re trying, you know, that car was very hard to come up with an estimate on, we put it at 60 million, it sold for 51.
7 million because of the reasons we talked about. Um, but if you’re a private individual and you’re trying to sell a 60 million car, let’s say that’s daunting, you know, like, Oh, yeah. You know, like [00:26:00] you’re trying to get it out there and sell it half the time. People have to liquidate part of their collection to afford it.
Do you want to take on these cars that are maybe worth 10 you have to sell them? You know, like it’s a lot, which is where someone like Sotheby’s comes into play because they can handle all that they can, you know, if there are cars on trade in, you know, they can liquidate them at a future auction, you know, or whatever, you know, and, um, that’s how RM Sotheby’s got involved.
So. It’s, it’s really all about the power of RM Sotheby’s and the, uh, their network and everything else. I mean, you know, I, I definitely am honored to be the consigning car specialist, but if I wasn’t there, they probably would have found RM Sotheby’s anyways, because of the out sale. So, but, but it’s a, it’s the relationships, you know, and they knew me.
And so it all worked out great. So basically it’s such a big car to sell that, um, you know, we had some folks fly [00:27:00] in ballpark and how are we going to sell it? You know, then, and you know, once. Once we had a contract to sell the car, my job was to keep the family informed and happy, right? That’s key, but, but it was the orange Sotheby’s machine that took over from there.
And by that, I mean, you know, the marketing department, the PR department, the logistics folks, you know, the Sotheby’s side. Cause we had it at the New York Sotheby’s headquarters where it’s a seven story art museum, basically, or eight story art museum that they do, you know, wine auctions and art auctions.
And it was a single car sale. Um, it was the only car sold, uh, that evening to kick off their art week. So yeah, it was a total company collaborative effort and I was just thankful to be a. Very small part of it. So is that how you got your GTO? A little, your commission check? Parsley that did pay for it. Um, that was the other thing that was funny.
And I [00:28:00] mentioned it in Jay Leno’s video is while I’m dealing with the Ferrari GTO, I get asked to help sell a Pontiac GTO. And so I’m dealing with two GTOs at the same time. And I tried to recreate the, uh, car and driver GTO versus GTO back in 1964, recreate that. Cause I had access to do two GTOs, you know?
And so I actually reached out the car and driver and they were interested. It would have been the 60th anniversary of that article. But the problem was, is they insisted that their writer would drive the Ferrari GTO. And the, the seller Jim Jagger, he had a bad experience in the past letting And automotive journalist drive is at the time, uh, Daytona came back and it had a busted transmission.
He didn’t want to let a total stranger drive the car three weeks before it would sell just for a magazine article. Right. But the son was, is a former race car driver. He drives the snot out of that car. If you watch the videos, he’s driving it like crazy. [00:29:00] And I said, well, You know, have the son drive the car, you’ll be in the passenger seat and you’ll get the same experience, right?
Or 90 percent of it, but they didn’t want to go for that. And it actually worked out well because my Pontiac GTO needed an engine rebuild because it only had 58, 000 miles on it. But the owner was a race car driver. So it was my, my car would have blown up if we had done it, you know, much less the Ferrari.
So it all worked out well that they didn’t want to do it. But I did get a picture of the two cars together, which. It’s really cool. Oh, nice. Yeah. It’s, it’s, well, I mean, it wouldn’t because you’re a car situation, but it’s unfortunate because I, you know, in speaking with you up at that one stuff, you know, and it seems to be, you know, we kind of have the same thought process in regards to how you present market something, get it out there.
Um, it’s unfortunate when you run into someone that’s, you know, like current drivers, well, no, the journalist has got to drive it. Like you’re missing an opportunity here. That’s like, when is this going to ever happen again? Yeah. And then you’re being stubborn about it in regards to, cause you just want this guy to drive.
And [00:30:00] like, just, you would think there’d be like all over it. I mean, that’s like cover material, everything, you know, for the 60th anniversary. Yeah. Some of that stuff. I just. You know, I don’t know. It seemed like a lost opportunity, but yeah, I don’t know. So, uh, like I said, my car would have probably blown up anyway, so it’s probably good that we didn’t.
So, yeah, I gotcha. Yeah. So, you know, you emailed back the other day and said, you know, how often are you going out to go and hit and collection does stuff? Not me, obviously scenes with RM to keeping you busy, you know, as you, I mean, you go everywhere, you’re regional. I mean, where else you go travel? So, you know.
This is probably a better question for one of the full time RM folks. I I’ll give you my perspective, which is as a part time consultant. Um, well now, now doing it full time, but you basically, you know, it’s, like I said, it’s based on relationships. Um, if there’s enough leads in an area, then [00:31:00] it’s viable for a trip out to meet folks.
And so, uh, I can tell RM, Hey, I I’m going, you know, I’m going, this happened the other day, I’m going to. Fort Wayne for a personal thing. I’m chasing a 67 Mustang, believe it or not. Um, can you send me some leads for that area? And these are folks that have registered either to buy or sell that maybe there’s not a strong relationship with anyone at RM.
And you basically just kind of cold call them and you might not know anything about them. You might just know their phone number and they had registered at one point with RN for one of the auctions and you just give them a call and leave them a message or shoot an email and say, Hey, I’ll be, I’ll be in your neck of the woods.
Are you up for a visit? And so one example is, is this was actually out, this was outside of arms. Sotheby’s, uh, have a good buddy of mine, Dave Snyder. He does a lot of the incredible artwork, a lot of muscle car stuff. Um, uh, great artists. I mean, he does Porsches, he does everything, but he’s known for putting.
A painting of the [00:32:00] cars back in like the period picture. So he’ll do a painting of, you know, uh, Camaro’s at Yanko’s dealership. So it looks like it’s from the sixties. Like he does a really good job and we’ll have lunch and he’ll mention, Oh, do you know such and such, or do you know such and such, so he gave me a lead.
Uh, in the Fort Wayne area. And, uh, so I had that set up and then I asked for some leads from RM Sotheby’s and, uh, this was a situation where I didn’t have to jump on a plane, you know, so much easier to do. Yeah. So I went out there, yeah, I went out there to look at, um. One collection and one Mustang. And then I, they sent me some leads and set up another collection to look at.
And then when I was at one collection, I asked, Hey, is there someone else I should meet while I’m here? He’s like, what do you know? Such and such. I’m like, I have no idea who you’re talking about. Then I go to go to his place and it’s. You know, 34 Porsches and an F40 and some BWs and just unbelievable, you know?
So that’s how it is. It’s kind of organic. You know, you go there for, um, [00:33:00] you know, you go there for hopefully one or two things and it might turn into three or four things that 67 is not a gold one. Is it? No. Oh, all right. Some of, um, it’s pink. Is it a Playboy car? It’s a playboy color, but they technically it’s Playboy pink, but it wasn’t a pink Playboy car.
’cause that was only 65 and 69. 69 and 65. Yeah. Three 90 big block, four speed. Oh, nice. Yeah, because they, uh. A mutual person we know up here is if he’s, if he can come across a six or seven Shelby in a debt gold. Oh yeah. No, I probably know, but yeah, George is looking, he’s like, I’ll buy that thing. A heartbeat.
You guys only think color. He doesn’t have it. Yeah, there’s only like 24 of those, I think. So the other thing I’m doing, which, um, you know, I, it seems to be a good idea. I did it last night is I’m doing some public speaking, not only around the Ferrari GTO sale, but also the [00:34:00] J lono experience. So behind the scenes stuff, um, I’m talking about like how.
My career’s gone in the last four years. Cause it’s really gone really well. So I’m doing that at like private car storage places. I have a social event aspect, so I had two places in Dallas that wanted me to do it the other day. And that’s cool because it benefits me because I can network, meet new people.
You know, I actually got a call from the Dallas guys yesterday saying, Hey, we want, this guy wants to sell his Mercedes and Monterey. And I’m like, Oh, Monterey’s closed. How about Hershey? You know, like it probably won’t work out, but. You know, it’s all about networking, getting to meet folks and, uh, try to make it entertaining at the same time.
Yeah. So for people listening, this will be a plug for Greg is, and I’ll put it on mine, uh, website and everything is the sign up for his newsletter. It’s a great newsletter. He puts out, you know, sends it out. It’s got cool stuff, great stories. It’s, it’s fantastic. So I’ll put a link to it so you can sign up so you can get it and start receiving it in your inbox.
It’s really [00:35:00] cool, uh, monthly, uh, weekly, isn’t it? Is it weekly? No, it’s, it’s whenever I can get to it. They’re a lot of work. I’m glad you like it. I try to make it entertaining. Yeah, no, I really like it. It’s really cool. Cause it’s got cool stories and whatnot. It’s just, it’s not just, you know, Here’s some stuff I’m looking for, you know, it’s got some cool content to it.
So it’s, you know, it’s, uh, it’s something that you want to open up and read. So I’ll put it on there. So everyone listening, definitely sign up for that. It’s really cool. I appreciate that. Hey, you ever gone up to, um, I’m trying to, I want to try and go, but up to Indianapolis for the, uh, art of Obelia. Stuff those guys do a few times a year that group.
Yeah, I went there one time for their show Actually, I think I judged their show one time Very cool show down in Carmel right downtown Carmel. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and if you can I don’t know if they still do it Friday night. They had a dinner at the Lucas oil Family like mansion [00:36:00] and Oh really just stunning location.
I mean, I don’t know how many acres it was, but just a stunning mansion with this boathouse and you know, it’s a fundraising event so I can’t remember, it was a hundred bucks a ticket or something. But, uh, really, really cool event. And they get some really nice cars there. I haven’t been in a couple years and I need to put it back on the calendar ’cause that’s a pretty cool show.
Yeah, I reached out to one of the guys, uh, one of the organizers that’s behind it all and, um, to him saying about coming out, cause I was going to go. Cause I was down in Tennessee and that for a Porsche event at tailed dragon. And I was going to, on my way back up, I was going to Scott, cause they were going to have something.
It was going to be just like, I don’t know what the hell I forget what they were calling it, but it got canceled and hindsight is like, I wish they wouldn’t have canceled it because. I’m a way through. I would have been going through Covington. I would have been going a different way and I’m a way to Covington.
I got clipped by a cop for doing 86 and a 55. [00:37:00] Yeah. You know, I’m trying to get back, you know, so, but my lawyer did good. 175 fine. And I just got to take an online driver diversion course. No points, no nothing. So for, for reference, that is, uh, September the 7th. Yeah. I will not be there unfortunately, cause I’m flying up to green Bay.
I’m judging at the, uh, Ferrari. Annual meet at their big, uh, show up there and, uh, up, up, uh, up in Wisconsin. So, yeah, so you have to pick between automobile or the Ferrari show. Yeah, I was, you know, that was the thing. That’s why I was curious about if you’re headed to, cause I’m debating whether, you know, I want to go to one or the other.
And I was like, any apps I can drive to, but the other involves, you know, getting a plane, doing all that. And. Um, that time of year, starting to get those arranges gets a little hectic. Um, so trying to squeeze things in and, um, [00:38:00] do things cause on a, on a side thing, I also helped run a nonprofit where we deal with children that have been injured in fires.
Um, so I kind of, um, You know, deal with that a few hours a week. Uh, but we have like our, our summer camp. We do, um, fall around that time of year and some other events, um, towards the end, because we try and get them for the kids, go back to school and doing all this stuff. So, um, so anyways, so I’m, I’m trying, you know, it’s one of those things.
It’s, and like you mentioned before, it’s this time of year, you know, especially in this part of the country. There’s so much stuff crammed in, you know, because of the weather, you know, you got that window of opportunity and you know, it’s, you got to do what you got to do, one of those things. Do you have any other crazy car specialist questions?
Well, they’re always all crazy, aren’t they? I mean, okay. Going in, you know, [00:39:00] and this is what I always find fun is, you know, cause I’ve been, you know, at this a long time and I, and you’ve obviously been in the cars and whatnot, but in kind of getting into this aspect of it, you know, more recently, um, What’s, what was, what’s your, I say, I was request or weirdest situation in regards to selling either being part of the car, they want to sell it or buy it.
What if you come across something that’s like, Oh my God, this guy’s nuts. You know, I don’t know if it’s that extreme, but I have. Two, but I’ll, I’ll, uh, two, one of them is I have someone that wanted me, they, he wants to sell a group of cars with us, but he wants us to prove our value first with a another car.
And I can’t say what the car is. Well, it’s like a race car. The problem is, is it’s. Um, the hardest car to sell, I’d say so, which I get, you know, it’s like, Hey, if you could sell this, [00:40:00] then I’ll give you the others, but it’s a car that’s like no provenance, no history, wrong engine, you know, um, like I’m like, can, is it a salvage title?
You know, like I get the, the, the reasoning behind it, but I’m like, Uh, you know, give us one of the other 40 cars. Let me prove it on one of the other ones. That’s a known commodity versus what is probably worth the parts and labor to build it, or, you know, like, it’s just difficult. That’s a, that’s been a different request recently.
Another one I had was to do, uh, some appraisals for a small collection of exotic cars. And this is when I had to walk away from, cause I wasn’t quite sure what was going on. He’s like, I’m I need a, I need them appraised, but you can’t see them. Cause I can’t let my lawyers know what state they’re in, you know, like something going on from a tax perspective, I believe.
He’s like, you [00:41:00] know, it’s a convertible, but the title says it’s a coupe. So coupes are, you know, I think it was a divorce thing, you know, like, so coupes are cheaper. So can you appraise it as a coupe? Not as what it really is. You know, so I had to just walk away. I’m like, that’s a little too weird and shady for me, you know?
Yeah, I’ve had, I’ve had a few of those where it’s the divorce situation and, you know, and get it from both ends. The husband and wife in regards to, cause they, you know, knowing both of them for a long time, and then all of a sudden they go south in their relationship, you know, so it’s not like only one party knows who I am.
They both know, and they know that person is they’re contacting me. So it’s kind of like. I’m not getting in the middle of this, you know, again, to your point, once trying to say, Oh, it’s only worth this. And the other state, no, it’s worth two times that, you know, because they want their money, you know, and he doesn’t want it, you know, God forbid, you know, he doesn’t want to lose any of his cars, all this stuff.
And. You know, and sadly, unfortunately it ends up, Hey, he loses half [00:42:00] his collection, you know, and it’s just gone. And for what he gets out of is not, he can’t replace them and all this stuff. And those are always interesting because you just like, you become a mediator. And then like your other point is you have ones that guys are just being real shady.
And it’s like, you know, you get someone that might be clueless or new at this, be like, Oh, we’ll figure it out. It’s like, you know, it’s like within the first five minutes of conversation, you’re like, no, I’m good. You know, I’m
kind of busy. And so you maybe call someone else. Right. Right. It’s never a dull moment. I will say that it’s always, there’s always something interesting and happening, fun happening or whatnot. So it’s always pretty, you know, it’s a great business to be in. Um, you know, it’s, it’s a lot of fun. Yeah. And the one thing you mentioned earlier, which I’ll, I can touch on just briefly is, um, how do you get into this business?
Cause you’re like, people think it’s a dream job and such. It’s really, really hard because, [00:43:00] um, You know, there’s so many obstacles. So, you know, if you want to come on board with RM Sotheby’s or whoever, and you’re like, well, I know such and such, you know, this mega collector, I can get him as my client. Well, he probably has a relationship already with somebody at RM Sotheby’s and it’s probably the owner or it’s one of the partners or whatever, you know?
So it’s really, really difficult. Um, I tell people, you know, if you are looking to do this, do something like bring it, help people with bring a trailer first or Hemings, you know, because there’s a lot of folks that would like to list their cars on those online sites, but you know, maybe they’re older, they don’t have the, you know, they’re not.
savvy or whatever. And so you can set up a nice little consulting business, helping people sell and bring a trailer, you know, and, um, that really gives you insight. You know, if you feel, find that that’s easy, all right, then you maybe have what it takes to do it [00:44:00] with one of the bigger places. But you’ll quickly find that’s pretty hard, you know, and like, yes, I was able to consign the, the big Ferrari GTO, but before that, you know, I had 22 cars from one client here, there, that kind of stuff.
I have four cars in our Monterey sale. It’s difficult. Even if you have someone that says, I want these three cars in Monterey. Well, are they the right cars? Are they at the right price? Are they, uh, you know, where we feel like they’re sellable? Are they have the right reserve? Do they agree to the right fees?
Are they willing to do the transport? And, um, I, I got cars in to Monterey and I couldn’t get in, uh, 1967, beautiful Lincoln continental convertible. That was Concord because that just doesn’t fit Monterey. And so, um, you know, but he didn’t want to take it to Hershey, you know? And so like, all right, well, there’s a car that’s no reserve, a hundred thousand dollar car.
and I can’t get it into an auction, you know, like it’s, it’s a lot harder. And, and [00:45:00] even still like Hershey, um, we’re so far ahead on Hershey. They just put a note out saying, Hey, we’re only taking a handful more. That’s not until October. You know? And so if you’re trying to make a living by getting cars to consign and the next big auction is already full.
You know, you got to wait till Scott’s sale of January. And if you’re based in October and you’re trying to get cars over to, you know, like it’s really difficult, you know, there’s, there’s a handful of windows. I mean, you can private sell all day, but that’s, that’s difficult. You know, we have, we have Sotheby’s motorsport, which is online.
So, um, Yeah, I always tell people be a consultant for one of the other online where it’s not as difficult first and see how that goes. Yeah, I was fortunate because, you know, in my youth. And younger days I raced and, and just connection wise. And it’s kind of like, you know, uh, stumbling into it, so to speak, you know, it’s one of those things, cause you know, people and someone says, well, [00:46:00] Hey, you know, I’m thinking about selling.
It’s like, well, you know, if you need some help, let me know. You know, and, and this was, you know, in my early twenties and late teens kind of doing that. And. It just grew from there. And, you know, but again, it was a long road. It wasn’t like, bam, it’s coming out of the gate doing it. You know, it takes a lot of time.
And the big thing is, is building, you know, clientele doing it. And that was one thing I kind of figured out, or I guess I, sat down and said, okay, if I’m going to do this, what do I want to do? What’s my passion? What can I do and do it? That’s kind of, you know, I’ve always been, you know, passionate about Ferraris.
It’s like, look, I’m going to just go down the path. You know, a lot of guys are, Hey, I’ll give you this and this and that. It’s like, you know, I just, I, I didn’t feel like I wanted to dilute myself and you know, it’s, so it’s, can I help someone? Hey, if you’re looking for a Porsche, so yeah, I know Porsche’s all right.
Um, Guinness of art things. So I’ll steer him to someone else. I’ll just like, [00:47:00] okay, you know what? Tell you what, you know, here’s a person called this guy. You know, talk with him. That’s what he specializes in. He knows, you know, that brand, those things and doing it, you know, and you know, some, someone’s going to say, well, well, but what about, well, how are you going to get paid on it?
I was like, well, look, you know, I give that guy, yeah, he’ll throw me a couple of dollars, but you know, I’m always been the adage, you know, if you’re chasing it after this. because you, you know, for dollars thinking, Hey, I’m gonna make all this money, you’re in there for the wrong reason, you know? Right, right.
My always, always say, look, just do what you love. Figure out how you’re going to, you know, you can generate some money out of it, but don’t make that the focal point thinking, okay, it’s all about, I need to make, I wanna make half a million dollars selling cars. You know, you’re not gonna get there because you’re gonna be, ’cause like you made that comment saying about the right number.
Because then you’re going to be trying to sell stuff that there’s, no, one’s going to buy it because it’s priced too high, you know, and stuff like that. And, you know, I get, you know, people do LinkedIn, everything like that. And I always get asked by a lot [00:48:00] of younger guys in their early mid twenties and, Hey, how do I get into this?
You know, it looks so fun. It’s like, and the one big thing is because the way these kids were brought up. So far their own is, you know, their internet phones, everything from day one, you know, we grew up, we’re relatively close in age, you know, we didn’t have any of that, you know, it was auto trader, you know, go into things, you know, getting the, you know, penny singer, that they’ll look and do newspapers and stuff like that.
Look in the back of magazines. Um, so you really had to work at it, but these guys, you know, it’s. Sending it, you know, a text message or email, whatnot. And I always tell them, say, look, I go, if you really want to do it, pick up the phone, but if you’re really serious about it, get in your car. If you got to drive an hour, you got to drive 10 hours, knock on the door.
I mean, you have to, you have to be proactive in regards to chasing this. And like I tell them, I say, look, you know, it’s going to take years to build up. A database, a client base, just networking stuff. No, you got to get out there and get in [00:49:00] front of people and you need to talk to them. Yeah. You know, cause you know, is, yeah, you’re going to have your few that are in your age bracket, so to speak, that has some nice cars, but the majority of the people that have large collects and whatnot are of a much older demographic.
So it’s like, you know, you need to, you need to have to speak to him, talk to you know, everything like that, Debra, cause. You know, a lot of those people, they have kids. So, Hey, no, the kid whatnot, but it’s like, it’s a long road to home. I mean, it’s, uh, it takes time, but it’s, it’s, you know, it’s something you really want to do.
You just got to stick to it. Um, cause that’s the one thing too. And as I’m sure, you know, you’ve seen is, you know, where things are headed, especially like with your older cars, restoration side, stuff like that is, you know, the influx of younger generation coming into learning that trade. Right. Learning all the nuances and everything like that is falling by the wayside.
You know, um, you know, there’s a few [00:50:00] colleges out there. Uh, the one in Kansas McPherson, you know, they’re doing a great job. Uh, there’s, you know, a couple of small ones, but it’s more of a trade school type scenario, but. You know, I tell people, I say, look, I go, you can make really good money working on these cars, right?
You know, learn it because it’s going to be more and more specialized as years go on. And when it comes more specialized, you can charge more, you know, don’t look at it saying, Hey, you want to be the guy where the, you know, The suit and stand in front of it and being all, Hey, look at me. You know, there’s a lot more avenues you can pursue in this industry to make a living.
Um, but you know, it’s, it’s going to be curious to see where things are in say 15, 20 years. Cause as you know, I’m sure and see it and you might, and be a question for you is the transition at the auctions in regards to what’s hot and what’s not, you know, 10, 15 years ago, you know, it just, it, the age That bracket of cars, [00:51:00] the decade that’s popular and bringing the money, just keep creeping, creeping up away from your pre war that you’re 60 muscle cars.
And now it’s creeping up into your eighties cars that are like bringing like stupid money. That’s That’s a whole, uh, podcast episode by itself right there for sure. You know? Yeah. I mean, just, just, you see that, you know, like, you know, Fox body Mustang, you know, I had one by senior year in high school and guy, I don’t know how cheap we got it, my dad picked up.
It’s a, you know, GT five speed, great car. Loved it, you know, and I see what they’re bringing out. I’m like, Oh my God, really? Yeah. The first, the first V8 Mustang I ever drove was an 86 Fox body V8. Yeah, I love that car maroon charcoal interior. That thing was great, you know, and But it’s just, you know, you see those things just like, man, it’s like, where are we going to be?
As is it going to be the cars in the [00:52:00] nineties? I mean, because you have that transition where cars cause of safety regulations, everything like that. I want to say became stale, but cookie cutter almost, you know, Having this, you know, all these, you know, every manufacturer having a, like a halo car or something that’s, you know, a sports car, two door sports car or anything like that, right.
Well, by the way, side, they all start building SUVs because obviously they got to make money and that’s the hot thing everyone wants. You know, I mean, look at Ford now. Ford’s, you know, the only one thing is the Mustang now, and it’s hell. They named it frickin EV after the damn brand name. I know. Come on!
You know, and everything else is trucks or SUVs. I mean, it’s You know, and unfortunately, and I kind of laugh at it, you know, I’ll never own an electric car. Um, the technology, but I just don’t see it. And I, these manufacturers, I think got way ahead of themselves with these things. Right. And again, [00:53:00] to think about that, I mean, we’ll be long gone by the time, like that’s common, but what, I mean, the only collector thing you see is like a Rimac or something like that.
You know, you have these one thing that’s all electric. I mean, it just doesn’t, it’ll be, oh, It’ll be really interesting to see because I know we had a Tesla that really, uh, low mileage, 1, 900 miles, the original Roadster first year. And, uh, I think this is back at Elkhart a couple of years ago, Cope right after COVID.
And, you know, the estimate was 60 to 80 grand and it went for like 160, you know, because it was. The lowest in the world. And it was some auction fever going on and stuff, but that’s a very interesting conversation. And what I think the fact that their battery longevity is going to really, I think those will not be that collectible because of the technology.
I think a lot of cars, even the brand new Ferraris now that are, Going through the roof as instant collectibles. I don’t think longterm they will be because of maintenance and, uh, parts, availability and stuff like that, electronics and everything. So Jay Leno mentioned it recently. He’s like [00:54:00] mechanical stuff you can fix, you know, when it goes bad, electronic, electrical stuff degrades over time.
So different, different thing, you know? And so I, I feel like there’s, to me, there’s a couple of like key. Um, and I should probably wrap this up here shortly, but, uh, I think the sixties cars are going to stay strong because they’re drivable. You can customize them. You can rest them on them. They can keep up with today’s traffic.
They’re fun. Um, I also think the analog supercars going up until like 2012, 2013, that’s a really, really good sweet spot. You’ve got manual, you’ve got, you know, Ferrari, you know, Five seven fives. You know, I think that’s a really good sweet spot right there too, where I think those will always be desirable.
Well, here’s a question for you. Um, in regards to, I mean, this is kind of doing it with some other vehicles, but like a lot of main thing is Ferraris because obviously, you know, you started with the three, five, five doing that [00:55:00] terrible F1 transmission. That was basically just all solenoids and whatnot, and just making it change the gears going up.
But what you thought I’d say, you know, and I watch this closely because I get to ask this quite a bit because, you know, as you went up, you know, 355s and 360s production wise, you know, majority was manual, but then as you got into the 430, it was a big flip in regards to production numbers. F1 transmission to manual.
So now like F430s factory manuals are obscenely priced. I mean, you got one, you know, I think Ryan Friedman’s got one. He’s got a brain trail, but he had one. It was like 500 grand because they had 6, 000 miles. I’m like, Jesus, you know? And then, you know, like five fifties, that whole production was all manual, but then five, seven fives.
It was more heavy F1 transmission, but EAG is doing these, you know, conversions. [00:56:00] How did, in your opinion, how do you think that’s affecting value? I mean, does someone go look at it and say, well, this car was, the transmission in it is a manual transmission. It’s just, they removed all the cell lines and whatnot and put the gator back in.
How do you think that really compared? Well, two things. I actually have to go in a second because I have another interview in three minutes. But but let me answer the question. Um, I think there’ll be a couple that will pop higher in price than you think they should. I think in general, though, there’ll be a premium for those because of the manual, but it won’t It won’t eclipse the cost to do it.
So say it costs a hundred grand to do it. And maybe it adds 60 grand to the value. So I don’t think, I don’t think you’ll get your money out of it. Long term if you’re making those transitions, it also highly depends on who is doing it. You know, it’s kind of like when people did the, uh, Daytona spider conversions, you know, the spiders are, there was about [00:57:00] 121 of them or something.
You know, those are 3 million cars. The conversions. Are more than a coupe if it’s done by someone that was noted and did a good job at the time. Yeah. You know, kind of those things. So I really appreciate you being on my podcast and I appreciate you having me on your podcast. Yeah, no, that was great. No, I said, I hope you’ll, cause it’s a lot of fun.
And he said, I’m, I know you got another thing to go to, and I’m sure we can probably talk for another two, three hours, so. Um, but yeah, we’ll be in touch. I said, I’ll let you know about making up the Milwaukee. Like I said, I’m still kind of figuring out where I want to go. I’ll let you know, but I appreciate it.
I’ll let you know I’m back in Cleveland and we can go hit some car stuff together. Perfect. Awesome. Really appreciate it. Thanks man. Have a good one. You too. See [00:58:00] ya.
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