Exotic Car Marketplace

In this episode of the Ferrari Marketplace Podcast, host William Ross along with special guests Chris Miele from Prancing Horse of Nashville and Sam Murtaugh from Mecum Auctions contribute to the conversation by focusing on the Bachman Collection, a notable assemblage of Ferrari models with exceptionally low mileage. They outline the Ferrari Classiche certification process, emphasize the importance of original components and low-mileage cars, and spotlight several key models from the collection, including the two 288 GTO, multiple F40s, an F50, and the LaFerrari. Miele and Murtaugh provide anecdotes about the collection’s owner, Phil Bachman, and his dedication to preserving and maintaining his cars in pristine condition. The podcast anticipates high excitement and strong interest as these prestigious Ferraris go across the auction block at the Mecum Kissimmee auction.

• 00:00 Welcome and Guest Introductions
• 00:50 Discussing the Bachman Collection
• 03:18 Ferrari Classiche Certification Process
• 06:38 Spotlight on the 166 MM
• 07:37 The 275 GTB/4 Alloy Body
• 09:27 Auction Preparation and Process
• 11:57 The Unique 400i Manual
• 15:31 The 288 GTO and F40s; The Story of Two Incredible Cars
• 21:59 Phil’s Journey to Acquire the F50
• 28:04 The Unique Enzo Ferrari
• 29:48 Phil’s Collection and Memorabilia
• 34:20 The Passion Behind the Collection
• 37:58 The Upcoming Auction Event
• 39:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] As part of Ferrari Fridays, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace will be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live and breathe The Ferrari brand. Topics range from road cars to racing drivers to owners, as well as auctions, private sales and trends in the collector market.

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William Ross: Hello everyone. Welcome back to the Ferrari Marketplace Podcast. I’m your host, William Ross. I want to say hello and thank Chris Neely from Ping Horse of Nashville for coming on, being part of this, and Sam Murtaugh from Mecu. Welcome gentlemen.

Sam Murtaugh: How are you? Thanks. Good to be here.

William Ross: We did our first episode on John Shirley’s.

Ferrari two 50 GTO. If you’re not familiar with it, I highly recommend hitting up Mecca’s website. We are continuing our conversation here for the Mecu Kissame auction because the second half of this chat that we are having with Mr. Mely from Prancing Horse of Nashville and Sam [00:01:00] Murtaugh from Mecu is the Bachman collection, which is just an incredible, incredible collection of cars of Ferrari specifically.

These are some of the lowest mileage collector blue chip cars. The JLo is a very, very favorite color of the Bachman family for sure. But Chris is the one who knows these cars very, very well. He was the one that was instrumental in getting this all together and getting mecu all set up, I guess you could say, with all these cars.

The other cool thing is it’s not just these higher end ones too. I mean, he’s. Started his love affair with Ferrari. Started with 3 0 8,

Chris Miele: correct. The very first carb was the 19 84 3 0 8 GTS.

William Ross: So obviously he has that soft spot for him.

Chris Miele: Yeah, there’s no doubt

William Ross: how many Three. There’s like three Oh eights. The three 20 eights and he is got the Quattro valves like, and you don’t wanna say in every man’s Ferrari and stuff, but Yeah, it’s, you know, you have something price point wise, I guess you could say.

It can fill any spot for somebody. You know, you have a car that’s gonna be in the low six figure range, but you’re gonna have stuff that’s gonna be. Seven figures easily. F 41, 850 miles. Everyone’s got [00:02:00] 459 miles, an F 50 with under a thousand miles. Is that gonna break some records? Who knows? Oh yeah. And they have very low mileage.

You know, I would assume that they service these things regularly. ’cause a lot of these have super low miles.

Chris Miele: Yeah, they did. Actually. We were fortunate enough to service some of the cars. We opened the dealership in 2022. We started doing some of the service work because it was just logistically closer to them.

And obviously I had a relationship back in the past with Phil and Martha, but as you know, the years before that, they had maintenance that was done on the cars that the authorized Ferrari dealers that they picked, and sometimes it was in Georgia and sometimes it was in Florida. But the cars were always maintained at an authorized factory store.

William Ross: The dealership itself servicing the cars. Is there a line older than this or do you guys have. Obviously your techs get certified and do a lot of, lot of training. I mean, do you have like someone special that handles the older cars?

Chris Miele: Yeah, we have a classic K technician and that’s all he does right now. Um, he’s actually doing the certification on Dana’s four 10 s, so that was the old Carol [00:03:00] Shelby race car from the late fifties.

And, uh, we’re actually doing the certification on that. So we have cars all the way up to modern day cars that we do certifications on. I mean right up until, you know, the very early cars of, you know, what, what Dana’s doing. And then obviously all the way up until, I think the one that we just did through the shop was, uh, F 12 TDF at 2017.

We just put through,

William Ross: you know, one of the big things, Chris, in regards to these cars is the Classifi case certification. What can you tell us about that whole process?

Chris Miele: The Ferrari Classifi K certification process is a pretty basic process. The vehicle has to be at least 20 years old or has to be a limited series model, be fully functioning and have all the original OEM parts, and then it passes through a pretty rigorous multi-point inspection by a Ferrari classic K expert.

Then they go ahead and they send the package off to the factory. The factory approves it, and then by the time it gets approved, you get what they always refer to as the red book gets sent back to the owner of the vehicle. That’s something that you guys are praising horse of Nashville, correct? Yeah, we actually do it.

So like I said, for the vehicle to be eligible has to be [00:04:00] 20 years old or a limited series, and then our technician goes through the car and he checks condition, originality and then, you know, depending on what type of car it is, whether it’s a road car, formula one car, a limited series car, and that marks it off if it’s eligible.

The certification process itself is pretty simple. It’s, uh, inspection. Like I said, it’s a multi-point inspection. They check all the components. They check the chassis, the engine, the gearbox, the suspension and brakes to make sure that it’s original to that actual serial number. If any parts have to be replaced or if they’re damaged, they go ahead and they get parts that match the original specification.

Even if they have to remanufacture ’em, they will. If it’s a car that’s obviously quite old. And then the certification is upon passing all of this, the inspection, you go ahead and go through the certification process At the factory, they have a committee that sits together and they have a pretty comprehensive dossier of the history and specifications of the car.

And once it’s approved, obviously you get certified and you get that certified stamp and you get the book that gets sent to you.

William Ross: And that’s like then for the rest of the [00:05:00] life of the car, is it something you have to be done every 10 years say, or something like that?

Chris Miele: You know, they, they recommend that you do it every so many years.

They say three years, because here’s what’s happening. A lot of times the car gets sold and resold. My rule of thumb is this. If the car is with the same owner and the car obviously is lightly used, it’s okay. I mean, if the car obviously gets sold, then you’re gonna wanna recert that certification for the new owner.

He’s gonna wanna have an updated certification. In my way of looking at it. It’s very similar to having an appraisal letter. If you go ahead and you have a home, you get a new appraisal, new owner, even though the house was done, you’re gonna go ahead and have it set up for your insurance company or whatever it may be, and it really helps provide, God forbid there is ever a loss, it’s fully documented what the car was.

How

William Ross: many

Chris Miele: of

William Ross: these cars have

Chris Miele: classic K on them? On the Bachman collection? I believe there was 17 binders, if I’m not correct. Sam, is that correct?

Sam Murtaugh: It was 17 or 20. It might have been 17 red and three yellow. Is that right? Or

Chris Miele: three

Sam Murtaugh: yellow I believe.

Chris Miele: Yeah. Alright. What’s, what’s the yellow? It would be anything that was a limited series model.

So you would have, obviously the La [00:06:00] Ferrari. The La Ferrari Perin in the F 12 TDF. They would’ve been the cars that would’ve been eligible.

William Ross: I don’t think a lot of people realize that then that, you know, everyone thinks Red Book, but there’s also the yellow book that’s something new.

Chris Miele: Yeah, there’s actually a, there’s a red book with a white stripe, which is for the competition cars, and then there’s obviously what they call like a tailor made car.

There’s actually a gray book as well, so there’s four different books to be official. They used to have a white book, but they replaced it with a different book. So there’s four books now. Wow. That’s spectacular. It really is. At least you know exactly that. You have something that’s authentic adds to the provenance of the car.

William Ross: That’s good to know. Appreciate that information, Chris. Good stuff. But I wanna jump right in. We’re gonna just hammer into this one. I wanna start out with though, is that one six. Six mm. Because that’s just an incredible car. You know, I’m a big lover and aficionado of the earlier era stuff. What’s really cool about this car, and correct me if I’m wrong, Chris, that car is originally delivered to the United States?

Chris Miele: I believe so. Yeah. I believe it was a California gentleman that had the car originally. He did quite a bit of racing with it, you know, he had a lot of fun with it, and that’s what people did back in that era. You [00:07:00] know, there was a lot of road racing and there were tons of events at that point in time in the US You

William Ross: hit all the good ones, I guess you could say back.

It was cool to see that. And I was a bit surprised. ’cause I mean, back then that was kind of a rare thing. I mean, you had to have some deep pockets to bring a Ferrari over. ’cause I mean, what did, um, Chinetti start being like the importer Like was that in the early fifties, sixties?

Chris Miele: He raced obviously for many, many years.

He’s a two time Lamont winner. Won it back to back at a close relationship, obviously with Enzo Ferrari. And then he came to the States and he was the distributor and the exact year, I’d have to look up, but he was at it for just many, many, many, many, many years. You know, he was obviously the go-to guy in New York City.

William Ross: He was the man, that’s for sure. The next one’s a very special car, ’cause a 2 75 GTB four cam is probably one of my all-time favorite Ferraris. But what makes this car very special? It’s an alloy bodied car. I’m not sure the total build amount of four cams. I know it wasn’t that many. How many were alloy bodied cars?

Chris Miele: 16.

William Ross: 16? That’s it. And that was just for lightness? Just for racing?

Chris Miele: Yeah. Obviously, yeah. The lighter it was, obviously the quicker you’ll go.

William Ross: Was that something when you [00:08:00] would order the car, I guess you’d say specified it or just kind of like they built it and then you were, you’re lucky to get one?

Chris Miele: No, absolutely 100%.

It was something that was ordered specifically and it took more time obviously than a steel body car, but there was quite the weight savings and you know, the lighter the weight, the quicker the car would be. Uh, it wasn’t something that they just put off the assembly line. A lot of the cars were alloy cars earlier on.

You know, as the years went on and their production increased, making the alloy cars was tougher and tougher. ’cause it is old fashioned metal beating, you know, and they would pound it out.

William Ross: Did that car leave the factory in that yellow?

Chris Miele: Yes, it did. It is. Did that is an original, yeah, it is an original yellow black car.

Wow.

William Ross: I mean, I, I’m a big fan of the yellow Ferrara. I mean, that’s thing stunning. Four cams obviously are the ones that get compared to two cam. What kind of premium does that add? Alli body? I mean, gotta be like 30%.

Chris Miele: No, no, no. It’s definitely, it’s more than that. More than that. Okay. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

Because a perfect steel body car, the first number, I’ll start with a three, 3.6, 3.7 million, depending on the provenance on the vehicle, who did the restoration on it. And then on the flip side is. You know, [00:09:00] you have one of the 16 alloy body cars and you know, the cars were driven and they were raced back then.

So, you know, they, some of them got a little banged up. I mean, obviously they’re straight now and the cars have all been restored, but this particular car does not have any of that. When Emiliano Torquer did the inspection on it, he’s the former Ferrari class CK employee as well as Marco or Rigi. Both of them were Ferrari Classic K employees.

Both of them will tell you that the car is probably the finest example that they’ve ever seen.

William Ross: For Mecu itself, I mean, what would you guys do, you know, when someone’s got such low mileage cars like that, an abundance of several cars, do you have any requirements or prerequisite saying get service or do something like that before you guys will have across the block?

Or is there anything you guys want ’em to do special for the cars?

Sam Murtaugh: Not necessarily. I mean, obviously at an auction, typically, you know, the cars are sold as is. As we do help buyers with as much as we can from inspection process and help them be able to, you know, look around the car. Determine what, where they’re at, obviously with whatever records there may be, you know, whether it’s a bachman car, any car on the auction for that matter, just what’s there for them to [00:10:00] look at and, and make their own assessment of what they think they’re getting into, whether that’s gonna require some service after the fact, or whether it’s been serviced or whatever the case might be.

So there’s no requirements. A car can be sold or offered no matter it’s quote unquote condition. Helping to give as much information to that buyer to be able to do their due diligence ahead of time. That’s why, you know, we very much recommend that you come inspect these cars in advance and, and do your due diligence ahead of time and get a good idea what you think you might expect to have to do after you buy it, if anything.

So that’s definitely just part of the process, right? When you’re buying any car auction anywhere,

William Ross: we were just speaking about the uh, 2 75 GT four four cam alloy body. I’m always curious ’cause that’s such a special car, but being an alloy buddy, that’s a very delicate car. How do you guys go about preparing whoever’s going to be handling that car at the auction?

I mean, is there some sort of special people for that or,

Sam Murtaugh: yeah, so we’ve got a designated crew, we call it the collections team, their role within the organization. That role is, you know, we’ve got our management team within that collections team, a group of mechanics, detailers drivers that [00:11:00] are dedicated to collections like this, like the Bauchman collections.

So it’ll be handled by them. By our collections team. The display will be in such a way where, you know, people aren’t gonna just be able to glom all over these cars. They’ll be quarantined off, so to speak. They’ll be visible, but then it’s the only people they’ll be able to access and get up close and personal will be registered bidders and they will be, you know, hosted by team members to be able to kind of guide them through and look at that.

So it’s not just. Open season, so to speak, where we’re just gonna leave a car like that for everybody. You know? We’ll have over a hundred thousand people come through the gates at Kissimmee over the course of the entire auction. So, you know, that’s a lot of people, that’s a lot of kids, that’s a lot of families.

So, I mean, we have to make sure that we display them and present them in such a way that that also at the same time, you know, allows them to be seed and viewed and appreciated.

William Ross: Yeah,

Sam Murtaugh: but also cool thing about Amica Auctions events and really high level car events and car shows for the most part. Car enthusiast understand the unwritten rules of respect about other people’s cars and property, but you get that many people coming through.

We have to make sure we take the right precautions to, to protect cars like that.

William Ross: Exactly. I dunno, maybe I’m a just don’t realize it, but of a small [00:12:00] minority of a big fan of the 400 Eyes and the four 12 eyes.

Chris Miele: You are.

William Ross: I love those cars. Why? I don’t know. Just something about it. I like the shape, everything to it.

There’s one crossing the block that’s in this group that looks like from the photos that cars needs a little more TLC to it. ’cause it looks like it’s missed some panels or is that all gonna be put back together for the auction?

Chris Miele: I think it’s gonna be basically sold as is. I know that we discussed that we were gonna try to go ahead and get it put back together prior to.

But I just don’t think that it, uh, as I say, worked out in the, in the deck. It doesn’t need much. I can tell you that right now. For instance, one of our technicians could have the whole car snap back together in seven days time. Oh, really? Okay. Seven actual working days. It’s not like it needs something.

And that’s, again, that’s not him on high rush. If I put two guys on it, they could probably have the car put back together in just a couple days. But the gentleman that was working on it, I think that’s the same time when Phil was getting quite sick, Martha was sick and then the gentleman just stopped working on the car at that time.

She got quite ill in 2023 and uh, she passed [00:13:00] obviously in early 24.

William Ross: Yeah, sad to hear that. The one other cool thing about that car is the manual.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah,

William Ross: I know. It’s a very low percentage of those cars were made with the manual. The automatics I always thought was interesting. It’s got a GM three speed in it, but the small amount of those that were built in manual makes that much better.

I’m the odd bird.

Chris Miele: Yeah. It’s one of five that were produced in that color combination with a manual gearbox, and it was one of 388 produced with a manual transmission out of the 1000 294 400 eyes that were produced. So when you really look at it, it’s quite a small amount that did have a manual gearbox, and like I said, one of 11 produced in that color combination.

So out of the 1294 total, one of 11. It is a really special car. And for somebody that’s looking just to go ahead and have a little side project, it’ll be a great, great, great great car and, and the car, honestly, I love the car because of the color combination, because normally you would see those cars, traditionally they’re in grays and blues.

Yeah. And every, occasionally you’ll [00:14:00] see ’em in a black. You don’t really even see ’em in red, you know, even in the earth tones, you know, you would see ’em in a green, you would see ’em in a brown, but not really ever in red. So that makes that car really special. Yeah. I think stands out. It is the last one produced in that color combination with a manual transmission.

Wow. All right. In its own way, it’s, Sam was saying it’s another one of these last ones that comes up.

Sam Murtaugh: That car in particular, it’s, it’s an opportunity car, right? So I mean, it’s crossing the block. The car’s there, but it, you know, obviously needs a little bit of finish work to get everything put back together, but that creates that opportunity, right?

So I mean, like you said, you know, that car really trips your trigger, the 400 eye and like, but then you see it’s like, well, but it’s not done. But then it’s that opportunity of, well hey, maybe I can get a great deal on this thing because it’s not done. Typically, it’s gonna bring quite a few folks like yourself that see that opportunity.

Yeah. The final price tag of that car will probably surprise you even in the condition that it’s in because of it’s gonna create so much of that opportunity desire that, hey, maybe I can get that deal. And it’s obviously. What we love about the auction process is he brings those people together in one place and then bid against each other for the car.

But every once in a while I see a car like that where, hey, it’s all [00:15:00] there. But if Chris said it needs, you know, seven, 10 days worth of work by a couple of texts, you know, having that opportunity and some people like that to be able to say that they finished off, they put their DNA on it, they completed the car themselves, it makes it even more theirs when they do get that finished product.

And it’s kind of fun to see sometimes when cars like that do cross the block. Cool. Important car, but not quite finished, but the opportunity is there, which is cool.

William Ross: To your point, I think that’s gonna surprise a lot of people in regards to, I think what that hammer’s at. And plus, you’re gonna have some people out there probably think, Hey, I can just do that myself.

Right? Tweak their own. Right. That’s right. Now we’re gonna start jumping into the heavy hitters. What’s cool with this collection is especially Fab Five or whatever you want to call it, having that serious Ferrari collection, it always starts with what everyone considers the first Ferrari supercars, A 2 8 8 GTO.

Now, this one’s spectacular, but the biggest thing is it says it’s got 2007 kilometers, which is just a hair over 1200 miles.

Chris Miele: It’s one of the lowest, it’s not the lowest. I know of a few others, obviously, but, and this is the other thing that’s very, very important, this car, it’s a single owner car, whereas a lot of the other ones that you see that are floating around, they’ve had [00:16:00] 5, 6, 7 owners and they bounce between.

Especially the European cars went from Belgium To France. Yeah. To Germany, back to Italy or what have you. Not that I’m questioning it, but every time that they fill out those odometer statements in other places, way back in the day, there was a little bit of a penmanship that went into it. This one, it’s the original car, original owner.

To find an original owner, one really, really, really makes it more of a unicorn than anything else. It makes it to me, one of the most special ones that I’ve ever seen.

William Ross: What options does that have on it? Because there weren’t that many you could get on that car, but I know there’s a few that are pretty rare.

Chris Miele: So that car has three of the options out of the four that were offered. The leather seats were one of them. A lot of people look for the desired inserts. This car did not have the inserts. It has power windows and it has the ac. Well, not that many had air conditioning either. Radio, delete, that’s what it has.

The radio delete. It was usually a lot of people went ahead and the radio was an option.

Sam Murtaugh: This the car with that special luggage too, isn’t it, Chris?

Chris Miele: Yeah. So that car in particular, [00:17:00] there was only four or five cars that were produced with a secondary bag. So originally Kel Reto, who was a former farmer, one driver for Ferrari, he came to Edon.

He was looking for a very small bag to fit in the car, just to put, you know, an overnight pair of slacks or shirt or something, but something to carry in a hotel and not walk in with a plastic bag. So they created this one bag, this called the secondary smaller luggage bag. They only made it for four or five people.

And this particular car has it. I’ve never seen the bag ever. Other than one other car, which I saw at Catalina a few years ago, but I’ve never seen it with anyone else. And the bag alone is super, super, super special.

William Ross: Oh God, yeah. Tacular. Mm-hmm. Getting like that just adds to the provenance in that car rarity alone, but just the options and not having that bag with it just makes it stand up from Molly, I guess You say all the other ones and.

To your point, I think there was only the one I was aware of too that had lower miles. But I mean, it’s just one owner that kind of kicks off. Jumping into the super hypercar basically has the same engine as the F 40. [00:18:00]

Chris Miele: Very similar.

William Ross: Now there’s not one, there’s two two F Fortys in this collection. They’re gonna be going across the block.

Chris Miele: They’re super unique.

William Ross: One’s got 850 some miles. It always got 459 miles.

Chris Miele: So in 1992 for the US market, Ferrari made 60 cars. And then out of the 60, a lot of people say which cars were made in calendar year 1992, and that was the final 24. So there really isn’t many that were made. One of these cars was produced in calendar year 1992, and the other one was produced in late 91, but they’re both 1992 at forties.

Like I said, there was 60 produced. The one that has 456 miles. That car was a factory delivery. It has the EE plates on it. You know, as Phil went ahead and received the car, and that car actually has the original per LEP zero tires that were, um, most of the European cars. His US model actually has those on it.

The other car has. The Goodyear Gs A, which were super, super rare and you know, you can’t find them today. So these cars, for guys that are [00:19:00] looking to show the car as original Belli stopped producing this version of the tire years ago, as did Goodyear. Goodyear stopped producing them. So when people see them at shows and they say, look, this car’s original for the guys that really know, they know because all the F forties look pretty much the same, obviously they’re all red.

Yeah. And they’re all red interior.

William Ross: Exactly. You know, you have the original tires like that on there. What would you do to maintain those tires to be able to utilize them? I mean, obviously you’re climate control and that stuff, but what else can you do with those tires so you can roll it around on ’em so they don’t deteriorate?

Chris Miele: So what Phil and Martha did, you know, a lot of times, like when you put tire conditioners and different products like that, a lot of times they’ll dry up the rubber on the car and they knew that. So that’s why when you would see the cars, the cars would not have any tire shine. I’m sure, Sam, you noticed that when we were there?

Mm-hmm. The cars weren’t all dazzled up with all that super shiny stuff on ’em because they knew that that eventually would get into the rubber and start to break it down. And if a tire was gonna go outta production, I know we’re gonna be bringing the tires and wheels to the auction. They went ahead and they would say, Hey, this tire’s gonna go outta production.

Let’s [00:20:00] go buy an extra set or two. And sure enough, they have, you know, the extra rubber that, oh wow, they bought for some of these cars, which is non-existent. You know, you just really can’t find that stuff.

William Ross: I mean, that’s incredible. I mentioned earlier that the whole collection’s going bang, bang, bang, bang across the block, one after other.

Was there any conversation of like maybe separating those two just because of the low mileage and that

Sam Murtaugh: Chris was involved with that as well? I mean, it’s, you know, no easy feat. We had multiple conversations with Chris and Dana and everyone that was to set these 48 cars in order and you know, what order do you put ’em in?

Obviously there’s no handbook to that. Right. And how do you space that out and make sure that, whether it’s guys after specific cars, you wanna make sure that they have. Time in between what they’re after. And you gotta take all these different things into consideration when you’re setting an order. And we took our time and, and thought it through and, you know, the order that they’ll end up being, which we have is done in such a way where we think it gives everybody the opportunity to be able to focus on certain things.

And there’s no super magic sauce to how it’s done other than the fact that, you know, taking, like you said, I mean, do you put these two cars back to back? Probably doesn’t make much sense. You’re gonna spread ’em out just a little bit so that if, [00:21:00] if there is somebody that wants to try and come after both of them, that gives them an opportunity to sort of reset and.

Go after ’em.

William Ross: That’s a good point. I could see one buyer going after both of them

Sam Murtaugh: potentially. Yeah, absolutely. To mention too, I, you know, we talked about with the 2 88 GTO, but both these F forties again ordered new by Phil and Martha. Yeah. One owner F 42 of them. So, I mean, you’re kind of three in a row with, you know, these cars.

It’s, to me that’s mind blowing. I mean, you know, just like we said with the 2 88 to find one with one owner, most of ’em have six, seven, bounced around all over the place. Same with these cars. Yeah, same thing. The fact that one would be incredible to have two in the same with, you know, the same owner, one owner.

It’s kind of mind boggling.

William Ross: I don’t

Sam Murtaugh: think we’ll see it again. In all honestly, it’s an incredible opportunity. Bill was so hell bent on wanting to make sure he got one. I think he was working, correct me if I’m wrong, Chris, but he was kind of working two angles at the same time to ensure that he got one.

Then they both kind of came to fruition. Then he just decided, well, I guess I’m gonna have two, and decided not to give one up. They kept both allocations and got ’em both done and put ’em both in the garage was, you know, to me that story was, I just never heard anything like that. That was pretty awesome.

Chris Miele: [00:22:00] Best story, honestly, is, uh, the one that he really wanted initially was the F 50. Yeah. The story. Phil went to the factory and got in town a little bit early. So usually when he would travel, he would travel, you know, t-shirt, jeans, you know, just good old boy from eastern Tennessee. And it was the summertime and he went out there, he took a flight and he got there.

And he got there a little bit early and he was checking in the hotel right down the road and he was driving by the factory and he saw somebody. And you know, they said, well, why don’t you just come on in? And he was like, ah, you know, I just got here. And they said, yeah, don’t worry about it. Come on in.

Somebody else apparently walked in the room. They saw him and they made a comment. They said, you know, next time you come here. You better make sure that you have a sport jacket on and a suit and tie. And he was always buttoned up. He was really tight. Phil was, you know, if you look at all the photos and the videos, he was always looking super sharp.

So Simone said, uh, that set him off and he said, that’s it, I’m done. So he had a little bit of a war with him and you could see when it was. ’cause it was the F 50 and 95. It was the F five 12 M, and 95, and he didn’t get another [00:23:00] car until 99 with the 3 55 fiorano. So there was a few years that he basically didn’t purchase any cars new at that point.

Eventually he went back out and he found those cars because people always said, well, why is this one not yellow? Or, why did the yellow F five 12 M have 5,000 miles on it? I said, that’s because he picked up that car secondary. But the one that sold this past summer at Pebble. That would’ve been his car, the final one.

Number 75. Outta 75. Really? That would’ve been his car. Yeah, because he was always getting, you know, the last ones at that point, you know, and then it, it kind of took like a shape of its own, you know, he started, you know, after that you could see it with every other car after that, the Fiorano, the five 50 Barta, it was the last one for the us, you know, and you could just start to see the pattern on how we started to get the cars.

So it, uh, actually opened something new up after that.

William Ross: Now you, you mentioned F 50, that’s the next one I wanna get into. I know this is of interest for everybody. ’cause other than Ralph Lauren’s that just went, this one with only 251 miles on it is incredible.

Chris Miele: [00:24:00] Yeah, it really is

William Ross: for what’s going on in the market with those cars.

I mean, those things have just gone through the roof, so to speak in the past. Would you say 24 months they have shot up? Incredibly.

Chris Miele: Yeah. Really

William Ross: natural aspirated manual V 12. I mean, it just checks all the boxes. I mean, it’s just incredible. You know, only 251 miles. One owner. Yeah.

Chris Miele: This one’s actually multiple owners.

Oh, it is? Because he purchased this car from me, Ian Poulter, and Ian was the second owner of the car. Nonetheless. Usually what happens is, you know, obviously Ferrari announced the F 80, which is the next car in the sequence of the supercars. Usually what happens is every time that they announce one of those cars, and it’s generally speaking, every 10 years, you had 85 with the GTO and then, and it was, uh, obviously 87 is when they announced the F 40, and then it went to 95 and then it went to 2013.

As time went on, it’s usually about every 10 years. Then the LA Ferrari and so on and so forth. So here we are, the F eighty’s out when that happens. Generally speaking, a lot of these people, the big collectors guys that are new to it, they say, well, you know, you called it the Fab Five [00:25:00] earlier. Guys say, I want to get all of them.

Sure enough. They want to jump on and they say, okay, I want to get all, all the cars. And then they start to find, I want the best ones. And that’s why this Bachman collection is really unique because what Sam said is exactly the deal. You’re gonna see two F fifties or two f forties in a sale maybe. But to see ’em from the original owner with that kind of mileage, I, I don’t think it’s gonna happen again.

I really don’t. I mean, and, and I’ve been doing this a pretty long time. I’ve never seen these kind of cars with this type of mileage. And then the uniqueness of the colors. The uniqueness of the options, obviously the cars were meticulously maintained. Uh, I don’t think you’re ever gonna see it again. I really don’t.

William Ross: Sam, I’m sure the scuttlebutt you guys have been receiving has been that one person trying to go after a lot of these cars at one crack is you’re not gonna get this opportunity again. But this gets you the best of the best. You guys have had to have some inquiries about, Hey, I think one person’s gonna just wrap these things up.

Sam Murtaugh: I, I mean, yeah, the interest has been incredible, as you might imagine. I mean, as soon as we [00:26:00] announced it, I mean, the, the emails and phone calls coming into folks getting registered to make sure that they don’t miss. The chance to be a part of it and, and get their hands on things has been from day one when we first made the announcement and, and just steady through.

I mean, it’s, it’s been great. I mean, obviously I think Ferrari collectors, collectors in general just are realizing the uniqueness of this opportunity and the, and the fact that opportunities like this to Chris’s point, are probably not gonna present themselves anytime soon, if ever again, especially with some of these cars.

I mean, a one owner F forties, the one owner, two 80 HETO, I mean that this could be it. I mean, and to have this many incredible cars and this, these types of conditions in one place to be able to. Come take your pick. I mean, it’s, it’s,

William Ross: the other great thing is if you look on the website, these are all going off one right after another.

Yeah. So that’s gonna be an incredible three hours, maybe four hours of just blue chip, blue chip, blue chip went after there. So I mean, I mean, that’s gonna be some exciting times in a room For sure. And there’s really no lead up.

Sam Murtaugh: It’s gonna be a heck of a week.

William Ross: Yeah. I mean, whoever is gonna be up running the show with the hammer’s gonna have a heck of a time.

That’s a career moment. I mean, oh, [00:27:00] that’s all these in a row. I mean, that person’s just gotta be ecstatic because that’s just gonna be unbelievable.

Sam Murtaugh: No, it’s fun. I mean, and you know, our auctioneer team is to that point, I mean, these guys absolutely 120000000% love what they do. And, and they get so jazzed and energized by proud enthusiasm and bidding enthusiasm and seeing, you know, what they’re doing in their craft and, and, and help these folks get their hands on these cars and helping be a part of that process.

Is really what drives these guys, and they’re talking to them about what’s coming up in Kissimmee for everything we’ve got going on between, you know, with the two 50 GTO, the Bachman cars here, and this is probably one of the, one of, if not the greatest lineup of vehicles that we’ve ever had in Kissimmee, Florida by far to see it all coming together is.

Pretty special. It’s already a special moment in the moment. It has even happened yet, so I can’t even imagine what it’s gonna be like in the moment live and when it’s all unfolding, it’s gonna be pretty incredible.

William Ross: You’re gonna have all those emotions, excitement, anxiety, everything, all of it. ’cause it’s just gonna be all, I mean, it’s just gonna be incredible.

You know? I, and I’ve been telling people, if you got a way to get there, you need to go to kiss me in January to be part of this. ’cause it’s just gonna be incredible. I mean, just the [00:28:00] atmosphere, everything, the energy is gonna be unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, I can’t wait. It’s gonna be exciting.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

William Ross: Getting into rarity.

We’re gonna talk about the Enzo. I would have to gather. That’s the only one made with that color combo.

Chris Miele: No, it actually isn’t. Really? Yeah. There was another one that was made, but this car was originally left. The factory came off the assembly line with black interior. Phil wanted this other style, red Daytona seats, so they were installed at the factory and there’s photos of the car coming off the assembly line with the black seats.

The car comes with both sets of seats in the delivery room with the red seats, so they swap them out. So that was for homologation purposes. But this car has some really unique features that no other Enzo I’ve ever seen that has, it has the engine brace struts in the engine bay. They’re both polished.

The lower body color, usually on the very bottom of all the cars. They had like a black trim. Yeah. That went all the way around. The lower trim and the, the rear diffuser panel, it has the Enzo Ferrari signature badge. I’ve only seen about five or six cars that have that. It’s really a unique one. In Jello for the US there [00:29:00] were 11, there was 36 cars produced globally, but 11 for the us.

William Ross: That’s incredible. I mean, I mentioned before, I, I love the Jalo. I mean, the yellow is fantastic, but having that red interior, I mean, that just really makes that pop. And again, one owner, 645 miles, again, that’s just, you don’t see it. And again, to your point, you know, usually a lot of these have multiple owners, right?

Yeah. The opportunity there for one owner that’s. Magnificent in itself and just the demand for that’s gonna be incredible. I mean, it’s just

Sam Murtaugh: insane. Phil was at the factory and actually got, they suited him up in, on the production line for this car. This is the one, didn’t it, Chris? Where they, yeah. Got to kind of turn a wrench on the final stages of the build for the car.

So they got, there’s a picture of him with a, wearing a full suit in the factory, putting a bolt in the bottom of the car. It was, it’s pretty cool. I think he’s probably the only one that’s ever had a chance to do that. Yeah, I’d imagine.

William Ross: Yeah. You know, you mentioned the photo with him wrenching outta the line stuff.

Is there some cool items that are coming along with these cars? Like for the next caretaker?

Chris Miele: Yeah. Well there was a book that on the lot of the later cars that Phil picked up and he did a European delivery, there was what they call a photo book. So the [00:30:00] delivery sales department, they would go ahead and provide a book and it was manufactured from sed.

Everyone got it. And they probably did at that point in time, I don’t know, maybe like 30 deliveries a month. And people would go to the factory, pick up their car, they would get a beautiful book, they would take the photos, they would have a professional photographer there, and they’d give this book to you.

So remember years ago, back then, the digital photos that we see today, you know, they weren’t really what they are today. You would actually get an old fashioned photo book. And Phil has a photo book for lots of the cars. And if you look at all the photos, you’ll see the same thing. You see PB growing.

Their son ’cause he was getting smaller and growing, growing, growing. See Phil and Martha, and then you see Simone, he was in all the photos. So when you go through it, it’s kind of unique. So you get that and then you know, every car comes with its original stuff, what I call all the tchotchke stuff, the little instruction pamphlets and all these little things, which as time goes on, people take ’em and they’re like, ah, I don’t need this little brochure, I don’t need this little pamphlet.

And they toss it. Phil and Martha saved everything. When I tell you. Everything, everything. [00:31:00] So there’s just so much stuff. I mean, that’s what I’m gonna call it, is stuff. There’s just so much stuff that comes with every car. It’s amazing. It’s, you know, and it brings back memories. Even for me, there was these little static stickers that I would stick on onto the windshield about a missions.

People would peel those right off. You know when you get in your new car? Yeah. There’s like a, a sticker about an airbag or whatever it may be, and people pull that off. They don’t save it. They throw it in the trash. He saved it. He has everything. You name it, they have it. That’s what makes this collection really unique.

And obviously, you know, we mentioned it multiple, multiple times, but it’s a car that has an original owner. So to have an original owner on cars going away back to 84, even if he started buying cars when he was 30 years old, you know, obviously he do the math. I mean, he’d be in his seventies today. So Phil was pretty successful and he started buying cars quite early.

He saved everything. And since he was a car dealer, he knew to save a lot of that stuff, whereas most people didn’t. And then as the years went on, as they started to show the cars and take ’em to Concor events, they’d break out that stuff and people would be just amazed that they [00:32:00] had every little pamphlet, every little sticker.

You name it, he would peel off the sticker that was, you know, on the adhesive. He put it on like a nice little backer and save it and he’d say, look, here’s all the original stickers that came on the airbag or came here or came there. He has everything. That’s incredible,

William Ross: Sam, that had to been kind of, I mean, you guys have archivists and everything like that too, ’cause you guys also deal in roia.

However you pronounce the word. That had been kind of interesting for you guys as well to whoever’s going through it all to see all this material like that. ’cause you don’t ever see that.

Sam Murtaugh: So it was a big task. It’s still ongoing a little bit right now, but just making sure that we make sure that we’ve got everything that belongs to the car, goes with the car.

So to make sure that new owner gets that stuff. But also in addition to all the cars and, and all the things he saved, as Chris was mentioned, he also was, would collect. Stuff, tchotchkes, Ferrari related memorabilia, things like that. So his garage was full of that stuff. So, you know, going through and making sure we determine, you know, okay this award belongs to this car or this piece goes with this car.

But then also to figure out what was just general collected merchandise to make sure that we have that. Inventory properly. ’cause we’ll also [00:33:00] be selling that stuff off the following day. On Sunday, we’ll sell the memorabilia that was the decor that was in his garage, you know, Ferrari light up signs and you know, flags and banners, posters, things like that that were just there as you know, as any car guy would decorate his his garage with.

So we’ll have some of that as well. So having to go through carefully and calculatedly to, to make sure that we’ve got everything sorted correctly and what belongs to a card that needs to go along with it. And all that. So yeah, it’s been some work to do, but those are always fun projects to be able to, you know, the discovery, you’re kind of like an archeologist in that regard and you know, looking and discovering new things.

And Chris and I were there last month and Chris kind of blew my mind with just his photographic memory of all things in tchotchke Ferrari. And I might drive by this little medallion and not think anything of it, but then. Chris will gimme this backstory about how unique this little pin is. And for me as a, as a, as a car enthusiast myself, you know, I see thousands of cars all year long at all these different events we do.

And, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s work and it’s a job. And if some of it becomes numb, but then every once in a while you, you learn something new And it really trips my trigger and reminds me of how much of a car enthusiast I am. [00:34:00] Cool. Some of these stories are that a little two inch by two inch medallion that’s got a backstory can be a really fun thing to learn.

As kind of nerdy as that sounds, there’s, there’s so much of that going on in inside the Bachman’s garage was pretty amazing.

William Ross: Amazing stuff wasn’t like these things were mass produced. Keeping all that stuff or collecting it and finding it, it’s just huge in itself.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

William Ross: I’m looking forward to seeing that as well.

You know, what was his intent buying these cars? I mean. Obviously he didn’t drive them or maybe he drove them half a mile a year. Was it more just a passion? ’cause they’re just gorgeous cars? What was the thinking behind, Hey, I wanna buy this, but then I’m gonna keep the mileage low?

Chris Miele: When I would speak to PB about it, you know, he understood, you know, and obviously he had quite a number of cars as the years went on, so he can spread it out.

If he wanted to drive his Ferrari, he had 46 of them in the drive at one point in time. But you know, he understood what it meant from an authenticity standpoint. You know, Phil got into doing the Corvette stuff. He did the Bloomington Gold stuff, and he understood that a car that was dead original and had super low miles, the value was gonna be even that much more so as a car [00:35:00] dealer.

He said, Hey look, we have to exercise the cars. We have to go ahead and use them somewhat. We just can’t let ’em sit. So they weren’t maintained properly and they were used from time to time, hence. How did this car get four or five, 600 miles over the years, but 20 plus years. And even if you take the car out for a mile or two a month, 25 miles a year, over 10 years, it’s 250 miles over.

You know, it just adds up. People don’t think it’s much, but that’s how it starts to add up. He really didn’t drive ’em much, but he did take ’em out from time to time and that’s why some cars have a little bit more miles than others. But I think the real big deal was the FXX when he had the FX. That was like his chance to really get out there and really run some miles.

And he ran ’em and he went to all the events, has all the stickers of all the events that he participated in, and he really had a blast and he enjoyed it. Unfortunately, Phil got sick and had a stroke in early 2011. That was his first stroke, and then he had another one after that, so he wasn’t able to compete anymore.

But when the program came out in, oh. And all the way through. I think he was super active through oh nine. He was doing a lot [00:36:00] of the events, I mean a real lot of the events and he was really enjoying life.

William Ross: Good for him. That’s great to hear. I mean that those FX X are just insane cars. It’s cool that he exercised ’em, utilized what it was made for.

Really awesome to see. And what about like the challenge cars and stuff as well? I mean, did those ones just kind of a sip more? Was the FX X the only one? He really kind of went out and I guess they had some fun with the Hena

Chris Miele: Race Ferrari Challenge. So Challenge Rad is a road version of the Challenge Car.

He had two different ones. There’s a green one in the collection and obviously the yellow one. He put a little bit of miles on those cars, but again, not many. Very, very few.

William Ross: We talk about the LA Ferraris, the Parata, and the coop again in unique colors. How rare are the colors on build numbers for those cars?

They’re both specked out spectacularly.

Chris Miele: They’re both really, really unique. The two most unique cars, in my opinion, in the collection are obviously the 5 9 9 SA apta. The 5 9 9 GTO. But to your point, you know the car that you pointed out plus the 4 58 Fish Alley Upta. But towards the end, you know, like I said, I mentioned it when we were doing the video.

He was kind of the pioneer on a [00:37:00] lot of this stuff that went on. It was just really, really neat stuff that he did. The exact number of the Jalo, tri Strato, which is a triple layer paint, which is on the La Ferrari apta. They made 210 of those cars, that car’s got the black interior. Obviously on the other car, on the La Ferrari, it was one of approximately 500 produced, and they, uh, produced about 150 for the us But it’s a super, super, super unique car.

Really, really, really unique car. I mean they both are.

William Ross: To kind of wrap this up a little bit, you touched on the Ali apta and uh, the 16 M as well in value. Been crazy the past couple years just because the last natural aspect of V eight Sam, you guys have probably seen a lot of interest, I wanna say from a younger generation.

You know, you’re gonna have a lot more youthful interest in regards to these cars coming towards the end just because of how, you know, what they are. You guys anticipate, I don’t wanna say younger, but different demographic going after maybe those cars.

Sam Murtaugh: Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, we’re already seeing it too.

And if the inquiries [00:38:00] that we’re having, obviously, you know, collecting cars is a, is a generational hobby. And you know, the folks, they’re after nostalgia. What they remembered when they were young. When I mean young meaning when you started driving cars and you started getting into it and what you aspired to acquire, right?

Or what you wish you could have, but you had no money. At the time, there’s a lot of that going on. So definitely young in the down and, and by young, I mean, that could be, you know, thirties and forties young. I mean, there’s not a lot of 18 year olds coming out of the woodwork for the cars, per se. Yeah, well there could be certainly with how the world works today.

But yeah, definitely younger generations, you know, coming after these cars. I mean, myself personally, you know, I’m 47 or I don’t think I’m 48 now. You know, the, the F forties, the two 80 GTO, you know, in high school, those were the ones I was drooling over. That’s the, you know, I had a picture of a two 80 GTO on my wall in my room, you know, growing up.

So. Don’t do the trophy cards from my era. Right. So like, you know, guys in their, in their forties are coming at those things hard where, you know, even you get into the later model stuff and it just keeps getting younger. But in, you know, the one thing about Ferrari, whether it’s the two 80 GTO or the 2019 TDF, whatever, anything in between, I mean, those cars [00:39:00] really just transcend across all generations.

Period. End of story. All the way back to, you know, even going back to that 67 alloy car I, the Ferrari brand is appreciated so much deeper than most that, and that’s really interesting to me that. You know, the appreciation, whether you’re 75 years old or 25 years old, I think it really runs the gamut. But to answer your question directly, we are absolutely seeing an influx of a slightly younger demographic coming in, getting ready to, to bid on these cars and to, like we were talking about earlier, I think it’s gonna be a bit of a frenzy in the room and, and at the time, and, you know, whether, if you’re not interested in buying them or you can’t afford one just yet.

To be there on site and watch this whole thing unfold is gonna be a spectacular spectacle.

William Ross: I agree. And on that note, we could talk for hours ’cause there’s so many special cars in this collection, you know, not just the one we kind of went in depth on. I mean, it just, it’s an unbelievable collection and you know, you don’t have to be a purchaser or a buyer to enjoy this and especially be part of the action.

You got the wherewithal you can get to me, kiss me in January. I think you definitely need to be there because. You’re gonna have several hours of just [00:40:00] Ferrari love going across that block and you’re gonna see some great action. It’s gonna be spectacular. I can’t wait. I’m very, very excited for that. So I wanna thank you guys for coming on.

I really appreciate that. We’ll see you guys down and kiss me. I’m sure. Chris, you know we mentioned before he’s gonna have a special guest potentially coming down there too, so we’ll see. Bye guys. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Chris Miele: Thank you. Thank you.

William Ross: Take care. And remember, guys, hit that like and subscribe button and uh, stay tuned for our next episode.

Have a good one.

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